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Post by iN-FoRCeR on Jan 18, 2010 15:29:36 GMT -5
Head to Head never factors into draft order... its always record and then SOS for non-playoff teams. I know for a fact that if its 2 teams with record head to head then its the loser gets to select 1st. It was talked about a ton on my local sports radio becuz Lions fans want Suh and the Rams beat them. IDK how it works for more then 2 teams but I know it is factored into draft order.
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Post by xCRUFFx on Jan 18, 2010 15:35:16 GMT -5
i'm a rams fan and I know what you're talking about inforcer, but those comments were incorrect because head to head does not factor in at all... it all comes down to SOS, even with just 2 teams or 10 teams.
here are the rules for determing draft order. the only that has changed over the past couple of years is that the NFL changed the format so that all non playoff teams pick before playoff teams (before it was based on record, so you could lose in the divisional round but still pick 18th overall, a head of a nonplayoff team, if you had like an 8-8 or 9-7 record). This year, all playoff teams are seeded based on where they get eliminated.
Rules for determining draft order
The draft order is determined by first generating the order for the first round. That order is based generally on each team's regular season record, with the exception of the two Super Bowl contestants, who are placed at the end of the draft order. Tiebreakers and specifics are as follows:
1. Any expansion team automatically gets the first pick; if there are two expansion teams, a coin toss determines who picks first; the other team will pick first in the expansion draft.
2. The winners of the Super Bowl are given the last selection, and the losers the penultimate selection.
3. Teams that made the playoffs are then ordered by how they performed in the playoffs. The conference championship losers receive the third and fourth to last selections. Next are the four teams who lost in the divisional round, followed by the four teams who lost in the wild card round. Each team is ordered within this primary order by their regular-season record.
4. Teams that did not make the playoffs are ordered by their regular-season record.
5. Remaining ties are broken by strength of schedule. For draft order, a lower strength of schedule results in an earlier pick. If strength of schedule does not resolve a tie, division and/or conference tiebreakers may be used. If the tie still cannot be broken, a coin toss at the NFL Combine is used to determine draft order.
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Post by JoeSchroeduh on Jan 18, 2010 16:13:10 GMT -5
i'm a rams fan and I know what you're talking about inforcer, but those comments were incorrect because head to head does not factor in at all... it all comes down to SOS, even with just 2 teams or 10 teams. here are the rules for determing draft order. the only that has changed over the past couple of years is that the NFL changed the format so that all non playoff teams pick before playoff teams (before it was based on record, so you could lose in the divisional round but still pick 18th overall, a head of a nonplayoff team, if you had like an 8-8 or 9-7 record). This year, all playoff teams are seeded based on where they get eliminated. Rules for determining draft order The draft order is determined by first generating the order for the first round. That order is based generally on each team's regular season record, with the exception of the two Super Bowl contestants, who are placed at the end of the draft order. Tiebreakers and specifics are as follows: 1. Any expansion team automatically gets the first pick; if there are two expansion teams, a coin toss determines who picks first; the other team will pick first in the expansion draft. 2. The winners of the Super Bowl are given the last selection, and the losers the penultimate selection. 3. Teams that made the playoffs are then ordered by how they performed in the playoffs. The conference championship losers receive the third and fourth to last selections. Next are the four teams who lost in the divisional round, followed by the four teams who lost in the wild card round. Each team is ordered within this primary order by their regular-season record. 4. Teams that did not make the playoffs are ordered by their regular-season record. 5. Remaining ties are broken by strength of schedule. For draft order, a lower strength of schedule results in an earlier pick. If strength of schedule does not resolve a tie, division and/or conference tiebreakers may be used. If the tie still cannot be broken, a coin toss at the NFL Combine is used to determine draft order. The first part of that I have seen, and I know is correct... at no time does head-to-head factor into it. Maybe your inforcers local radio station was calling for an extra win/loss because they were looking ahead at how the SOS would play out. The 2nd part, about playoff teams being ranked strictly by playoff finish I have not seen... even on NFL.com it shows the method I have used the last 2 seasons when doing the draft order where playoff finish is used to break ties between playoff teams that finished with the same record, along with the obvious 31/32 for superbowl participants. I'll look into this some more though.
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Post by JoeSchroeduh on Jan 18, 2010 16:15:06 GMT -5
Just found it on Wiki... should make things a little easier on my part. Starting this year we'll go with that method.
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Post by xCRUFFx on Jan 18, 2010 16:23:39 GMT -5
yea, the part where playoff teams are seeded based on their "playoff performance/finish" was a new rule change implemented for this NFL season (09-10).
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Post by tomtl523 on Jan 18, 2010 21:17:27 GMT -5
i guess my schedule jsust felt really hard...haha
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Post by xLiQx on Jan 19, 2010 21:06:38 GMT -5
You sure it's not alphabetically? Cause they don't follow the true tie breaker for anything else...
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Post by xLiQx on Jan 19, 2010 21:08:21 GMT -5
• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.
• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.
• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.
• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.
• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.
• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.
• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.
• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule.
from the NFL site itself.'
There were actually a few coin flips this year in the draft if I am not mistaken (in real life)
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Post by xCRUFFx on Jan 19, 2010 23:03:54 GMT -5
LiQ, I don't understand what you're pointing out above. also the rules that you posted from the NFL page is outdated .. this point: If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless of strength of schedule. no longer applies because the NFL changed this rule.. playoff teams are now seeded based on their playoff finish .. look at the draft order for this year : walterfootball.com/nfldraftorder2010.phpnotice how baltimore is picking 25th overall, thats because they got into the 2nd round of the playoffs .. based on the rules you posted (as it was in the previous years) baltimore would have picked 21st after houston (baltimore would have tied atlanta and houston, but would pick after both teams because they made the playoffs). the rules that I posted are 100% correct. the one you posted from NFL.com is outdated. also here's a bit more clarification on the change to the draft order i outlined above: At the 2009 annual owners meeting, NFL owners unanimously approved changes to the order for assigning draft picks, starting with the 2010 draft. The changes affect the seeding of playoff teams. The two major changes from previous years are: * Teams that make the playoffs pick after teams that do not. In 2008, the San Diego Chargers made the playoffs, but picked 16th overall in the 2009 Draft, ahead of several non-playoff teams, including the New York Jets, who had the 17th pick, and the New England Patriots, who had the 23rd pick. * Teams that advance further in the playoffs pick later. In 2008, the Chargers, who went 8–8 in the regular season, defeated the 12–4 Indianapolis Colts in the AFC Wild Card game, but, nevertheless, the Chargers picked 16th while the Colts were assigned the 27th overall pick according to the rules then in effect, which prioritized regular season record for all teams except those in the Super Bowl. The new order assigns picks for each round as indicated in the table below. With the exception of the changes noted above, the order will generally follow that used in previous years (i.e., within a given status, teams with worse regular-season records will pick earlier in the first round, and picks will cycle from round to round among teams that are tied). Status Draft picks Non-playoff teams 1-20 Eliminated in Wild Card round 21-24 Eliminated in Divisional round 25-28 Eliminated in Conference Championships 29-30 Super Bowl losing team 31 Super Bowl champions 32 either way, Joe will need to update the draft order based on the updated draft order rules, but he's already mentioned that he'll do that in one of the messages above.
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Post by JoeSchroeduh on Jan 20, 2010 0:03:23 GMT -5
Yep its under control... picks 1-24 are currently locked in.
Liq I saw the same thing on the NFL site, and thats how I did the order the last 2 seasons... then Cruff pointed out the changes to the rule from the last owners meeting, so we've switched to that for this season.
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